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no worries yellowshark. its all trial and error. i am starting to accept failed prints more as a learning process than a failure. otherwise it overwhelms. its supposed to be an adventure not a destination. right. its all good.

thank you yellowshark. i will try 190.

thank you smithy. that makes it easier to explore.

my initial problem seems to be solved. though what i have learned in a very short time is there are so many variables to deal with when 3d printing. it will always be a work in progress no matter how long one gains experience.thank you i would like to eventually move up to printing with the latest version of cura; though do not know if the old version translates to new version of cura. thank you again for all your help.

hi smithy. thank you for the heads up. believe me all tips are welcome. when you say plain; what exactly are you reffering to?????? is it straight edge plain you are pointing to? as far as the flatness of the bed? thank you again; for your reply. here are 2 pics of the print; that finally printed through to completion. i was able to copy so m e settings someone had been nice enough to post. i know going through the little i have; ones settings could be difficult to share. although isnt it all about helping people? anyway i am sure some think that way. who am, i to judge. thank you again. let me know what you think.

thank you for your response. yes; i heat the pla to 60 to 65. i do use the original bed which came with printer. i threw out the bad prints though i can gather the settings and reply back. i am using cura 15.04.3. the older version. i'm using this version since i am a beginner and am learning. like i said before; it prints fine until it gets to a certain point; then it starts to wobble and eventually breaks of raft. i heat the pla(matter hackers); to 200; soeed roughly at 30 to 40; 0.1 layer height; 0.4mm nozzle; retraction set at 100; though i have tried it at many speeds; retraction distance anywhere from 2.0 to 3.5; minimal layer time between 10 and 20; shell thickness 2.0; fill density 30 to 100; print speed 30 to 100; flow% 55 to 75; working with 1.75mm pla filament.

ok; i have a creality endrer 3(new version). what makes it different from the previous; i really don't know. anyway; i have been trying like hell to print an ho scale slot car(upright). it just doesnt matter whether i use rafts and supports or not. it prints up to about 20 to 25 mm; and comes loose from raft! i am a beginner; i understand that; though i have read up as much as possible with the short time i have been attempting this. nothing seems to work. i assume it does not matter the printer; only the result. if anyone can help me; that would be outstanding.