Verbatim PLA is not working

[Edel 5]

Hello there,

I bought a new filament, Verbatim PLA. This I bought in the size 2,85mm, but it does not fit.

The material is not correctly implemented and does not arrive at the nozzle.

Also i have the a permanently clicking of the feeder, but it comes to nothing. Is this dangerous or can cause any damage?

So I went completely to manual mode in Maintanance

It really did not fit and did not even go into the white plastic intake tube.

After that i cut 20 cm of and put i manually into the header, then with a lot pressure the PLA came to the nozzel.

Diameter to check, was the next step. The original PLA in silver gray, is exactly 2.85mm, the newly purchased Verbatim PLA is 2,95mm thick and not 2,85!!!

Therefore, I wanted to hear your advice. What I can do now, or should I send the material back?

I have already read in the forum that people generally are using material in the thickness of 3 mm , so I am surprised

[ultiarjan 1,222]

When people talk about 3mm they mean 2.85 ... yeah it's a bit confusing...

Apart from the apparent lack of dimensional accuracy I also had lots of trouble getting the Verbatim to stick to the glass plate.... hope you did dot buy to much of the stuff....

About the sending back, what are the specs verbatim is providing regarding there dimensional accuracy?

[Edel 5]

Hello this I don't know .

On their website and on the website where I bought it, they wrote only in the specification 2,85mm

And only on the box they write also with the big advertising of 2,85mm.

We here in Germany can buy three different measurements of 1,75 , 2,85 and real 3,00

I'm also very confused about it , that people can use real 3 mm material because now in my opinion and in my test I see that this do not work well .

I can push a material with a lot of pressure through the nozzle, but  the automatic material flow will not work .... Here...

[ultiarjan 1,222]

Strange, I think I had some 2.85 mm samples, but on there website I now only see real 3mm stuff....

http://www.verbatim.com/prod/3D-printing/PLA%20Filament%201.75mm/verbatim-pla-filament-3.00mm-black-sku-55259/#techspecs

[Edel 5]

Strange, I think I had some 2.85 mm samples, but on there website I now only see real 3mm stuff....

http://www.verbatim.com/prod/3D-printing/PLA%20Filament%201.75mm/verbatim-pla-filament-3.00mm-black-sku-55259/#techspecs

 

no no here they have real 2,85..... but its 2,95mm

but what shall i do now?

Is the problem caused by me and i do something wrong?

Or is still the material wrong and can damage the UT2 ?

Edited December 29, 2015 by Guest

[ultiarjan 1,222]

Ha ha, just had a look at there German webpage... look at the specs...

They sell 2.85 with spec: 2.9 +/- 0.03 so it's never 2.85 but always to thick....

Simply based on this I would send it back, or at least NEVER buy it again.

I wonder if this is the same stuff they sell on the US page as 3mm

If you still want to use it you will not damage your printer, it will just be very irritating with every failed print

The clicking in the feeder motor are just steps skipping, there is to much friction so the motor can't keep up, nothing to worry about, this is a good thing build in on purpose (a skipping motor is preferred over filament grinding)

[neotko 1,417]

Clearly they do the filament as the old cds... For that prices just better stick to colorfabb.

[Edel 5]

Ha ha, just had a look at there German webpage... look at the specs...

They sell 2.85    with spec: 2.9 +/- 0.03  so it's never 2.85 but always to thick....

Simply based on this I would send it back, or at least NEVER buy it again.

I wonder if this is the same stuff they sell on the US page as 3mm

If you still want to use it you will not damage your printer, it will just be very irritating with every failed print

The clicking in the feeder motor are just steps skipping, there is to much friction so the motor can't keep up, nothing to worry about, this is a good thing build in on purpose (a skipping motor is preferred over filament grinding)

 

OK i sent it back its to risky....

Here in Germany i cant find a Webshop, who sell the original Ulitmaker PLA only the CPE, which i dont wont.

OK other question about the feeder and the clicking.

I have also big problems with Filament change. So when i insert new material, the feeder push this with high speed to the nozzel.

But then if its there and the feeder cant push it anymore, the automatic fast mode still works a few seconds...

in this case, this happend now 2 times here..

and then the filament is brocken...

what do i here worng?

[neotko 1,417]

If that's silver pla from ultimaker. Probably it's from the bad batch.

Check this post if so:

https://ultimaker.com/en/community/17102-why-did-the-filament-break#reply-120629

[ultiarjan 1,222]

PLA: just try the colorfabb material, the're dutch, but from Venlo so only a few hundred meters away from Germany You can order direct, but I'm sure there a plenty resellers in Germany too.

Feeder;

It's rather filled with PLA now, so you have to clean it, best is just to take it apart and clean with a toothbrush or something, get rid of all the plastic dust in there.

When you take out the 4 screws the feeder motor on the inside will fall down, so best to

first remove the cover on the inside of the printer (1 screw on the left panel, 1 screw on the back panel) then remove 3 screws of the feeder, then when you take out the last screw, hold the feeder in your other hand to prevent it from falling.

This may sound scary when you just have a new machine, but it's really simple and the only way to really clean this feeder

To make cleaning easier in the future print yourself a better feeder, most people use this;

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/alternative-um2-feeder-version-two

I use this derivative;

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/feeder-for-ultimaker-2-rail-system

You say the feeding seems to last too long at high speed? did you push the button on time? I believe it starts feeding at a slow speed and you have to push the front selection knob when the plastic is appearing at the top of the feeder (when you see it entering the tube) .... I'm not really sure, always feed manually myself...

[Edel 5]

PLA: just try the colorfabb material, the're dutch, but from Venlo so  only a few hundred meters away from Germany     You can order direct, but I'm sure there a plenty resellers in Germany too.

Yes this they also recommend in german section, and also the innofill one.

but i would like to have the original ultimaker pla, which als was in my box....

i m a little bit now unsure to use a new one again....

Also i dont think that i want to use a lot of colors, only a silver grey, black and blue one, and yes a clear transparent is very important

Feeder;

It's rather filled with PLA now, so you have to clean it, best is just to take it apart and clean with a toothbrush or something, get rid of all the plastic dust in there.

When you take out the 4 screws the feeder motor on the inside will fall down, so best to

first remove the cover on the inside of the printer (1 screw on the left panel, 1 screw on the back panel) then remove 3 screws of the feeder, then when you take out the last screw, hold the feeder in your other hand to prevent it from falling.

This may sound scary when you just have a new machine, but it's really simple and the only way to really clean this feeder

Yes very scary, that i must do so many things on a new UT and also so much disasseble .... but a video or so you dont have?

OK what i do, is to push insert material, then i push in the wire in the feeder, then it is in slow mode, after i see a little comes out of the feeder i push again the botton and the its fast mode, but this modes duration is a bit to long, so this happend....

or is this my mistake, that i shall do fast mode earlier?

To make cleaning easier in the future print yourself a better feeder, most people use this;

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/alternative-um2-feeder-version-two

I use this derivative;

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/feeder-for-ultimaker-2-rail-system

 

OK, then i must buy in BAUMARKT screws and springs and so on....

But i dont unterstand now, when the feeder is not good, why is this then on the UT2 and why did the no improvment?

To understand it right, the only improvment now form this feeders, are a better filament flow and in cast of problems you can better clean it?

You say the feeding seems to last too long at high speed? did you push the button on time? I believe it starts feeding at a slow speed and you have to push the front selection knob when the plastic is appearing at the top of the feeder (when you see it entering the tube) .... I'm not really sure, always feed manually myself...

and how is feed manually going? i m not sure now

 

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A other question which results of this.... what can i do which the brocken filament wires which got stocked in the tube and which i manully pushed out?

The are also 30cm or 40 long and a shame to put this in garbage...

[neotko 1,417]

You don't need to buy screws. That feeder from IRobertI uses the same stuff your feeder already uses.

The improvement it's that you can 'release' the filament tension very fast (so you can push manually the filament to 'fell' it and to purge it. Also you could do atomics much faster. And the other advantage it's that it has an addon to help print with flexible filaments. Also you can do a more precise control of the feeder spring force.