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Posted · Smooth walls

So I have a thing with very faint issues - sorry for that :)

Many months ago I printed lots and lots of stretchy bracelets. I gifted most of them and wanted to print a few. Now I am unable to achieve the same print quality like before. The vertical walls are not smooth any more (I think this is related to this post):

Now

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Then

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I am not only concerned with the inner walls. On the older bracelets the outer wall is completely smooth too (you only see some dents because the model was low poly):

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However, at first I thought the long belts were a bit too loose. I added this belt tensioner on all four of them but it does not make a difference.

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I have also tightened all other pulleys a lot but still o difference. Z-screw is greased, heated bed does not wiggle. Pulleys do wobble but they always did... What could this be? Hardware issue? Filament?

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Did you completely wipe clean the z screw before regreasing, as tiny plastic dust tends to settle there, making sure the thread is clear? its the only thing i can think of, as just adding grease wont help as much, if bits are still in there.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Alright checked everything you two mentioned. There is no play in the x/y gantry. The feeder motor is new (part of the Extrusion Upgrade Kit).

    I have disassembled the z-nut/stage and completely cleaned the threaded rod. I noticed though that the z-nut has quite some play. Is this "normal"?

     

    The z-stage without the rod moves fine and without resistance. The bearings are a bit loud but I guess that's fine.

     

    After assembling everything again, I remembered this sound. Check out the video and turn the volume up. In the first few seconds when the z-stages moves there is some kind of crackling sound - like there is plastic foil trapped between the threads (which isn't the case...). It was always like this - since I've got the printer.

     

    I am printing two test objects to see if something changed after cleaning the threaded rod.

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    Posted (edited) · Smooth walls

    @nicolinux remember what I told you about the z layers on the octopus shoots you made?

    Edit: https://ultimaker.com/en/community/11123-z-axis-layer-error?page=last#reply-130203

    That z wooble and worse I found on one of my umo+ kit. I bough a 6€ nut from pololu and the difference it's quite amazing. If you want you could renew the linear bearings also for 6€ each from misumi (the cost effective range). It's quite smoooth the change. But the main part it's the nut.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    C-LHFSW12

    https://ultimaker.com/en/community/18394-sounds-like-theres-sand-on-the-z-screw#reply-135067

    Frb8 did send a misumi bed bearings to a customer. I bough x4 of the cost effect Ve range and not only they fit, they moove sooo smoothly (bed falls down by itself everytime).

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    Posted (edited) · Smooth walls

    @veedee made a printable nut and seems it works too

    https://ultimaker.com/en/community/19321-random-z-layer-underextrusion-umo-with-hb-upgrade#reply-133434

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    I also have a weird crackling sound like a packet of crisps mainly during retractions and the last move of he buildplate when its finished, but its intermitten and also much lighter sounding than yours, but time will tell i guess.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Sound from bearings (like sand) it's perfectly normal. You are fine unless you have a woobly nut or bearings that get stuck (hard) on some points.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Ok, I have assembled everything and printed a bracelet and an octopus. The bracelet doesn't look better, the octopus only slightly. The z-stage sounds weird now. Maybe I need even more grease...

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    I think I'll replace the bearings and the nut. The question is - where to get them? The bearings are here (although @neotko praised the Mitsumi thingies):

    https://shop.stoutwind.de/Linearkugellager-mit-Flansch-LMK12LUU

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Misumi deliver quality at a price. All my umo+ has misumi shafts and they work work work :D The bearings are less problematic if the nut it's perfect. But if the nut has wooble the bearings can make that the bed stucks a bit on each z move.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    The nut you can google the part number of the photo. I got them from a pololu reseller in uk

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Alright, ordered the z-nut here. I installed it but sadly it has some play too :(

     

    Round objects (the cute octopi for example) is a little better but straight walls like these on the stretchy bracelet are still bad :/

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    :S!

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    I noticed they sell the entire stepper+z-screw+z-nut too:

    https://www.pololu.com/product/2268

    But I don't know if I want to shell out ~55€ for another test. I might be that the nut has some play there too.

    Apparently @neotko got really lucky with his z-nut:

     

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    You could try, using a high preassure spring, and thenold nut, to make a antibacklast nut.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    It's there any chance that tour z screw got damaged overtime? Does the nut has the same play along all the z screw?

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    I tested the old and the new one at different heights on the z-screw and there is play everywhere. So I guess not. The question is - is my z-screw thinner than the norm or are all z-nuts that I tried too big?

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    I bought 3 of them (for 2 printers) to have a spare one if tolerances where out of spec., but they were all great. Delivery costs are ok because you can ask for an untracked envelope.

    http://www.technobotsonline.com/tr8x2-travelling-nut-for-threaded-rods.html

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Thanks Peggy. So I've either hit a bad batch or my z-screw is screw... bad. I wrote the exp-tech folks where I ordered my z-nuts and we'll see what they say.

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    Posted (edited) · Smooth walls

    I just solved some z ridging by printing hotter, I went up 10C.  It's an easy test to see if that helps you. it did for me (although I'm still trying to find a real fix for my issue, since printing hotter is a band aid not a fix)

    here's the same print just changing the temp by 10C

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    here's the on going testing.

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Bad news everybody. I've swapped the linear bearings and smooth shafts with expensive ones from Misumi. I have also replaced the brass z-nut. The print quality didn't change at all :( :(

    So it must be something else. D A M N!

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    I recently also had a strong irregular banding. I ended up changing the glass filled teflon from Ultimaker to a TFT coupler from 3dSolex (both with an I2K disc), cleaning the whole hotend as I had some leaking before.

    As I had to disassemble anyway the whole print head, I also exchanged the original 25W heater with a 35W heater. There I found that the copper grease I have used was completely dried up; it seems any contact fluid has to be renewed every few hundred printing hours. Maybe some of those things also help you...?

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    Posted · Smooth walls

    Bad news everybody. I've swapped the linear bearings and smooth shafts with expensive ones from Misumi. I have also replaced the brass z-nut. The print quality didn't change at all :(:(

    So it must be something else. D A M N!

    So... You have changed in 6months:

    - board

    - um2+ kit

    - x/y x4 shafts

    - z nut

    - reassembled almost all

    Check the hotend assembly like foehnsturm says here https://ultimaker.com/en/community/20709-again-wallslayers-not-touching-advanced-question?page=last#reply-145078

    Maybe it's just too much preassure on the hotend. Also check the copper grease like dim3nsioneer says.

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