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Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

It is often not so clear how to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 or S5 printers. So I want to give some hints and answers to the common problems and questions.

 

Ultimaker materials

Ultimaker materials come with an NFC tag in the spool and the printer is able to read the NFC tag and can detect the material and color during the loading process. Internally the NFC tag contains a unique ID which is then matched against a material database or something like that in the printer software.

So if you have loaded UM material which was automatically detected by the printer, then you just have to select the UM material profile in Cura or read the configuration directly from the printer by clicking on the printer at the top right corner in Cura and you are perfectly prepared for printing.

 

The printer cannot detect the Ultimaker material

If you have the very rare case that your UM spool cannot be detected by the printer (I have one Black PLA with that problem) then it could be that the NFC reader is not working correctly or that just the ID of the spool is not in the database. In such a case, you have to handle the spool like any other 3rd party material.

 

3rd party materials

If you load 3rd party material, the NFC tag cannot be detected and therefore you will be asked which material you want to load. The list shows all the preconfigured materials that are supported by the printer.  For example, you want to load a ColorFabb PLA material, then you should choose PLA from the list and the material will be loaded. In Cura you should select in that case the generic PLA profile otherwise, you will get a warning message that your loaded material in the printer doesn't match with the material you have configured in Cura. You can override this message but it can be avoided by choosing the correct profile.

 

What if you place your Ultimaker PVA material in a Drybox or something like that?
Then you have to handle the UM PVA as a 3rd party one. The UM profiles and the generic one are identical, so there is no difference except that you will always get a warning message if you choose a UM profile in Cura and have a material loaded which was not detected automatically by the printer.

 

So as a general rule, if the material was detected by the printer, use Ultimaker profiles, otherwise use the generic ones.

 

Different material types

With PLA it is easy because the generic profile is named PLA and your 3rd party material normally also. But what if you buy ColorFabb XT, HT, ngen or some other PETG material and you cannot find it in the material list on the printer? 
In that case, you have to know that these materials are all of some kind of copolyester and Ultimaker CPE and CPE+ are also copolyester materials. So you just have to choose a material from the list which is similar to the material you want to load. It is enough when you look for the print temperature because this is the only information the printer needs to know to load the material. (heat up the nozzle to extrude some material) It doesn't matter if you choose CPE+ or Nylon or whatever for your 3rd party material if the print temperature is nearly the same. But in Cura you have to take care, that you choose the corresponding generic profile for your print job. Again, if you have selected Nylon on the printer and then use the generic CPE profile you will get the warning message.

 

How to add your own material profiles in Cura?
The best start is to duplicate a generic profile and then modify the settings you want. There is one setting which is important and this is called "Material Type". This field must match the name of the material you choose when loading the material on the printer. Otherwise, you will get again a warning message that the materials don't match.

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For example, you want to create a custom profile for ColorFabb XT. We know that XT is very similar to Ulitmakers CPE and therefore we duplicate the generic CPE profile. You can choose anything you want for "Display Name" and "Brand" but not for "Material Type", this should show "CPE". When you now load your XT in the printer, choose CPE from the list when you are asked for the material and in Cura you choose your custom ColorFabb XT profile which matches with the material type of the printer.

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It is also important, that you duplicate the generic profile you want to use during loading. So duplicating the generic PLA profile for using with CPE will also throw an error (warning message) because your new custom profile got the GUID from PLA and not CPE. So be carful when creating custom profiles.

 

The future?

With the new marketplace materials, there is a new possibility to download specific predefined profiles and I heard that there will also be the possibility to "upload" such profiles to the printer. So with an upcoming firmware, it should be possible to get the material type of such a profile in the material list of the printer. I don't know if this will work also with your own custom profiles, but we will see.

 

I hope I have covered the most common issues and questions, if something is missing or not correct, please let me know that I can edit and correct this post.

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Posted (edited) · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

The only caveat I would offer is that profiles seem to still be buggy when upgrading to a new version of Cura.

 

So, after I make my settings for a specific 'off brand' of materials, I will save a project file instead. They seem to be able to go between versions just fine.

 

Oddly enough, I find the UM profiles for materials to be very good at getting very, very close to actual settings I will settle on. Also, they off a range of colours in the screen to see details when I need to be able to view them. Also, in certain project types, I will 'colour code' them so I know what material should be what. What is a transparency, what is an infill, what is a support, etc.

 

Edit: Oh yeah, very nice write up and spot on. Thanks for helping people understand this quagmire. 👍

Edited by kmanstudios
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Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
1 hour ago, Smithy said:

Ultimaker materials

If you have loaded UM material which was automatically detected by the printer, then you have to select the UM material profile in Cura or read the configuration directly from the printer by clicking on the printer at the top right corner in Cura and you are perfectly prepared for printing.

 

 

I think here you mean to say: 'If you have loaded UM material which wasn't automatically detected by the printer'?

 

1 hour ago, Smithy said:

The future?

With the new marketplace materials, there is a new possibility to download specific predefined profiles and I heard that there will also be the possibility to "upload" such profiles to the printer. So with an upcoming firmware, it should be possible to get the material type of such a profile in the material list of the printer. I don't know if this will work also with your own custom profiles, but we will see.

 

If your Ultimaker is connected to the internet, and you have downloaded profiles in Cura via the marketplace you can sync these profiles with your Ultimaker and then the profiles should also be available there when you load new material. 

 

And finally, what could also be interesting to mention is the backup plugin which is available via the marketplace. It allows you to backup your profiles in the cloud, and when you are at a different laptop or different version, you should be able to download your material profiles and get started immediately 🙂

 

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    Posted (edited) · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    4 minutes ago, SandervG said:

    I think here you mean to say: 'If you have loaded UM material which wasn't automatically detected by the printer'?

     

    No, I mean if you load UM material which is normally automatically detected, then you have to select a UM profile in Cura.

     

    And thanks @SandervG for the additional information about the sync and the backup!

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    Just now, Smithy said:

     

    No, I mean if you load UM material which is normally automatically detected, then you have to select a UM profile in Cura.

    Which is normally automatically detected, but in the scenario you are describing it is not. Right? Maybe it is me, but in your original phrasing I read it as 'if it is detected, you have to select an UM profile'. If it is just me who reads it like that, I will shut up 😉 

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    4 minutes ago, SandervG said:

    If it is just me who reads it like that, I will shut up 😉 

    I honestly think it can be read both ways. And there are times the chip is not detected for a variety of reasons....damage, etc.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    I have the feeling it is correct, but maybe I am wrong 🙂 

     

    Maybe you misunderstood the part with "select UM profile in Cura" ? So spool was automatically detected by the printer and then you have to select manually the UM profile OR click on the upper right corner to read and get the information from the printer in Cura.

     

    But let me know if I am wrong in my thinking, it is often so when working on a description that someone else has a different understanding.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    1 minute ago, Smithy said:

    it is often so when working on a description that someone else has a different understanding.

    Or use of a different set of words that make sense to one person one way and not so much in another way.

     

    I have seen times when several people will be trying to help others on the site. And then one last person hits that magic phrasing that makes sense. And, it is usually the last person because it is understood and then moved on. But once in a while, you get someone that wants to excoriate others because they were not 'helpful' enough.

     

    It is a crap shoot and why it is always helpful to ask questions.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    On 11/30/2018 at 11:18 AM, Smithy said:

    3rd party materials

    Yes.. But also when I override it, the Um3 doesn t start, why?? 

    Thx

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Do you get an error or some other message after confirming?

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Nothing.. All is OK, but doesn't start to print! 

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Is the printer waiting for an action or was the print aborted and the printer is now waiting for the next job?

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Thanks for the tips. Im new to the product and Ive been encountering some minor newbie issues. Ill definitely bookmark this thread. Ill need it someday.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    It's my understanding that it is possible to add market place material if the 3D printer (Ultimaker S5 in my case) is linked to Internet. Would it be possible to add a market place material offline ?

     

    Thanks!

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    I think Cura is sending the material profile to the printer, so it should work also when the printer has no internet connection. But if Cura is also offline I guess it will not work, not sure if you are able to download the profile manually and copy it to the Cura PC.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Formfutura cardboard spool adapter for UM S3 and S5

     

    I print all my outdoor parts with FormFutura ApolloX (ASA) on Ultimaker. This material is just too great in terms of thermal, mechanical, UV and water resistance, while printing super easy like PLA. However, formfutura switched from plastic spools to cardboard spools and the latter get stuck on the UM S3 and S5 spool holders. (no issue so far on S5 material station).

     

    Hence i created a little adapter with which the cardboard spool works fine again.

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    See here on grabcad or thingiverse: 

    https://grabcad.com/library/formfutura-cardboard-spool-adapter-for-ultimaker-s3-and-s5-1

     

     

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    Posted (edited) · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    I struggle(d) a lot with PVA (regardless of Ultimaker PVA or FormFutura Helios) that the BB 0.4 extruder would always clog - despite dried material, even new out-of-vacuum-bag material. On both, UMS3 and UMS5 with material station.

     

    FormFutura's BVOH dissolvable support material seems to be better, at least first results are very promising. I printed BVOH in combination with my favorite material ASA for my technical parts I mostly use outdoors flawlessly. FormFutura ApolloX ASA is UV and water stable, yet robust, temperature stable and super easy to print. And i was amazed that the BVOH material was completely dissolved in 1 hour (where PVA normally took a day and manual brushing). To be fair, I have a new ultrasonic cleaner for my glasses and mechanical parts, and for sure using this cleaner with 3D printed parts it accelerates dissolvement of support material too. 

     

    Bottom line, you can find the FormFutura BVOH profile for Ultimaker S3 and S5 (incl. material station) here. https://github.com/flyinggorilla/ultimaker-s5 .  (note: profile for ApolloX ASA that works with Material Station is there too) 

     

    fg

     

    p.s. here is a picture of a print with BVOH and ASA in action. So far perfect result on my S5 ProBundle.  0.15mm layer height. (I know, should have done a brim for support). 20201021_153520908_iOS.thumb.jpg.4dfbcf9e2d9584189457ebc75e23f696.jpg

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    added note about apolloX asa profile
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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    @flyinggorilla Do you have settings for the ApolloX ASA that you can share. I just ordered a spool because I have to print something for outside use and immediately thought I give the ApolloX a try when you are happy with it.


    Thanks!

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    @Smithy, I think you can download the  profile from the marketplace. In my case I used the generic ABS settings and only slowdown the printing speed to 30mm/s (Otherwise layer adhesion might not be as good as expected).

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Thanks, shame on me, I haven't checked the marketplace 🙂

    Any specials about bed adhesion or similar to ABS?

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    The marketplace version of ApolloX doesnt support Material station sadly. If you need it for the UMS5 pro bundle then download the material profile from github where I manage several profiles of FormFutura materials I use for my prints https://github.com/flyinggorilla/ultimaker-s5 

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Thanks, no I have just the S5 with AirManager but no material station.

    Will check your profiles and the marketplace version.

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5
    On 9/26/2020 at 5:06 PM, flyinggorilla said:

    i created a little adapter with which the cardboard spool works fine again.

    I just printed the adapter and it fits and works great! Many thanks for this little helpful tool 👍

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    Posted · Tip: How to use 3rd party materials with the UM3 & S5

    Also want the mention that the ApolloX material is really great, very easy to print and the results are nice. I think I will order some more ApolloX spools.

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