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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0

Hi, I tried to search on the internet for a solution to my problem, essentially I'm trying to prepare the print file of a 3D model. But when I preview the print in slice mode, there are parts missing.

Reading on different posts, I saw that the problem may be cause by thin walls, I tried to thicken the shell and enable "print thin walls" option but nothing works. And that's not all:
the missing parts change when I rotate the model, here are some examples

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Does someone have a solution to this?

Thx in advance 🙂

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
8 hours ago, smartavionics said:

Hello @valely97, could you possible share the model, please? If so, please attach to this thread.

Hi, here's the obj file I'm trying to use.

thx in advance

bagon.obj

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
1 hour ago, smartavionics said:

Hello @valely97, when I tried to load that model, Cura told me it was too small and nothing appeared on the build plate.

strange, try this one, I enlarged it with cinema 4d that I used for making it

bagon-2.obj

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0

Thanks for the 2nd file. It loaded but I get a warning about it not being watertight and it fails to slice correctly as you have found.

 

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And freecad says it has self intersections...

 

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
3 hours ago, smartavionics said:

Freecad also says...

 

Screenshot_2019-03-31_07-42-28.thumb.png.f45a33936f1e72c778109750668fce72.png

mmhh, thanks for pointing it out, what is your suggestion to fix it?

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
6 hours ago, valely97 said:

mmhh, thanks for pointing it out, what is your suggestion to fix it?

 

Sorry, I can't help you there but I'm sure that others can, perhaps @kmanstudios, can suggest a fix?

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0

Honestly, without knowing how it was made AND, knowing nothing about Cinema 4D, I am not sure how to advise you.

 

I use a completely different set of programs.

 

But, I will take a look and see if I can fix it. :)

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0

OK, here is the fixed file:

bagon-2_EK.STL

It slices fine in my UM3 printer definition as you can see here.

bagon-2_EK.thumb.jpg.1e2fb442b42fa437d2702b9651a3d197.jpg

 

Now, there were a few issues with the model:

  1. All parts were overlapping individual objects
  2. The main body was watertight
  3. The overlapping parts were just 'shells'
    1. This means that the other parts were 2D shells
    2. This created a lot of confusion for Cura as to where to 'cap' or 'bridge' whist trying to clean up the model.

They would not union (boolean) properly in any program that is just mesh based. In the future, it would be best to make sure the parts are 'capped' so that the individual parts would operate properly.

 

I took the easy way: I imported into a program that can work with 'voxels' and it just did the work just fine. Keep in mind that voxels and mesh are two different ways of dealing with models. Booleans  in mesh is a real pain since they can create a lot of strange artifacts. However, booleans in voxels are blazingly fast and 'secure.' Voxels are volume based and when booleaned, they create a clean (superduper clean) outer volume that can then be exported into a mesh object. I could have reduced the polygons quite a bit more, but did not want to stray too far from your original model size.

 

It really does not need so many polys since it is not really carrying much detail.

 

How you would go about fixing this in Cinema4D, I could not say. So, I hope the above information helps in the future for you as 'capping', booleans, and 2D shells are common concepts in all modern mesh based programs.

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
21 hours ago, kmanstudios said:

OK, here is the fixed file:

bagon-2_EK.STL 23.73 MB · 0 downloads

It slices fine in my UM3 printer definition as you can see here.

bagon-2_EK.thumb.jpg.1e2fb442b42fa437d2702b9651a3d197.jpg

 

Now, there were a few issues with the model:

  1. All parts were overlapping individual objects
  2. The main body was watertight
  3. The overlapping parts were just 'shells'
    1. This means that the other parts were 2D shells
    2. This created a lot of confusion for Cura as to where to 'cap' or 'bridge' whist trying to clean up the model.

They would not union (boolean) properly in any program that is just mesh based. In the future, it would be best to make sure the parts are 'capped' so that the individual parts would operate properly.

 

I took the easy way: I imported into a program that can work with 'voxels' and it just did the work just fine. Keep in mind that voxels and mesh are two different ways of dealing with models. Booleans  in mesh is a real pain since they can create a lot of strange artifacts. However, booleans in voxels are blazingly fast and 'secure.' Voxels are volume based and when booleaned, they create a clean (superduper clean) outer volume that can then be exported into a mesh object. I could have reduced the polygons quite a bit more, but did not want to stray too far from your original model size.

 

It really does not need so many polys since it is not really carrying much detail.

 

How you would go about fixing this in Cinema4D, I could not say. So, I hope the above information helps in the future for you as 'capping', booleans, and 2D shells are common concepts in all modern mesh based programs.

yo thank you so much for helping me! Much apreciated 🙂
the 3D models I'm trying to use are ripped directly from a game files, I take it on cinema 4d because I found it more compatible if the model is rigged and have animations, after that i transform all the mesh layer into one. I already done this with other 2 models and printed normally as I expected, maybe this was particular case.
Anyway thx again! 😄

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
7 minutes ago, valely97 said:

Anyway thx again!

You are welcome. Keep in mind, even if getting the files elsewhere, the above are things to check.

 

3D rendering can overcome a multitude of sins since they can work with shells and 2D surfaces. And, games are more often than not just what amounts to 2D shells without any thickness to them. Also, many, many files are just not that good when you download them.

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0
On 3/31/2019 at 8:45 PM, kmanstudios said:

OK, here is the fixed file:

bagon-2_EK.STL 23.73 MB · 2 downloads

It slices fine in my UM3 printer definition as you can see here.

bagon-2_EK.thumb.jpg.1e2fb442b42fa437d2702b9651a3d197.jpg

 

Now, there were a few issues with the model:

  1. All parts were overlapping individual objects
  2. The main body was watertight
  3. The overlapping parts were just 'shells'
    1. This means that the other parts were 2D shells
    2. This created a lot of confusion for Cura as to where to 'cap' or 'bridge' whist trying to clean up the model.

They would not union (boolean) properly in any program that is just mesh based. In the future, it would be best to make sure the parts are 'capped' so that the individual parts would operate properly.

 

I took the easy way: I imported into a program that can work with 'voxels' and it just did the work just fine. Keep in mind that voxels and mesh are two different ways of dealing with models. Booleans  in mesh is a real pain since they can create a lot of strange artifacts. However, booleans in voxels are blazingly fast and 'secure.' Voxels are volume based and when booleaned, they create a clean (superduper clean) outer volume that can then be exported into a mesh object. I could have reduced the polygons quite a bit more, but did not want to stray too far from your original model size.

 

It really does not need so many polys since it is not really carrying much detail.

 

How you would go about fixing this in Cinema4D, I could not say. So, I hope the above information helps in the future for you as 'capping', booleans, and 2D shells are common concepts in all modern mesh based programs.

Hi it's me again, can I ask you what is this program for voxels you talk about here? I think I need it for fixing another similar problem

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Posted · Random missing parts in a 3D Model in Cura 4.0.0

I use 3D Coat. But even Blender does voxels, and it is free. I just do not know the fidelity or speed of Blender.

 

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