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Posted (edited) · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5

Hi all, new Ultimaker owner here coming from a Makergear M2 (still owned) for personal use only. I purchased this unit lightly used from a business owner who only used it primarily with the AA 0.8 nozzle for printing shipping brackets. I swapped both cores with AA 0.4, running Tough PLA and regular PLA in each. I have updated to the latest (stable) firmware 6.5.2.

 

I have spent more time than I care to share tinkering with this machine with more frustration than luck. My main issue is as follows:

 

Very inconsistent underextrusion - even using manual extrusion. Sometimes the unit will extrude, and sometimes it does nothing at all and simply grinds the filament. I've tried tension settings in the middle as well as about ±25% either way as well. This issue happens with both AA 0.4 cores in both positions of the print head, and I haven't been able to identify any rhyme or reason why it's behaving like this. The pattern that typically occurs is that the initial lines printed start off thicker and eventually the printer stops extruding. I have opened and cleaned out both feeders, and they seem plenty strong tugging on them during feeds. I am able to manually extrude cleaning filament through the heated nozzles without issue. I have done several cleaning cycles of both 0.4 AA cores without change. During manual extrusion, if I retract the filament significantly and send it back through the extruder, it tends to extrude for a bit before stopping.

 

Swapping one of the heads with the AA 0.8 yielded one good print, with that nozzle occasionally printing without issue (until it just stops feeding). With retraction turned off and flow up, the AA0.4 worked for one print, but the lack of retraction ruined the print. Turning up flow to 110% and turning off retraction seems to yield successful flow, but the part quality is horrible without retraction. At 100% flow and retraction disabled, underextrusion is also present. I have also swapped out different filaments with the same results. 0.8 nozzle side has occasionally errored with the click of doom in the feeder and subsequent "out of material" error. I can't seem to replicate these print jobs, further lending to the frustration.

 

I cleaned the original Bowden tube, but this did not seem to resolve the issue. I also swapped in a new Bowden tube, but the ID was larger, and underextrusion was still present - but improved - with excess buildup presumably due to compromised ability to retract under control. I've ordered new bowden collets and clips as well as E3D replacement PTFE Bowden. The original Bowden tubes seem to be in good condition, as best as I can tell. 

 

I've already canvassed the forums for underextrusion issues, and my main thought now is the Bowden tubing or one of the connectors is inducing just enough excess drag to keep it from feeding properly...with the 4mm ID Bowden allowing too little control for proper extrusion/retraction but little enough resistance to allow for consistently underextruded lines. I'm shocked that for the popularity and reputation of this machine that it thus far seems to lack in robustness and consistency, whereas my Makergear seems near bulletproof.

 

Any other suggestions on things I can try before chucking this unit over my balcony?

 

 

Edited by phrozen5100
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    Posted · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5

    Update:

     

    I ended up cleaning the feeders again, swapping Bowden tubes, and refeeding per the instructions I found on an earlier post.

     

    After 3 mostly successful prints, I'm experiencing consistent underextrusion again. I'm convinced this must be some sort of software/firmware related issue, as nothing has changed mechanically since the successful prints. Failure mode is the same on both nozzles, going from normal flow during the successful prints to no flow at all on subsequent prints. I changed models and resliced using the same settings as before. Filament is new Ultimaker filament and filament guide is attached. 

     

    Thoughts?

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    Posted · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5
    8 hours ago, phrozen5100 said:

    before chucking this unit over my balcony?

    I always wanted to do that too. But unfortunately I have no balcony 😇

     

    Often the feeder is set too tight. Well, the feeders have a set screw and screw is fun.

    But the feeders of the UM work most reliably in the middle position.


    Otherwise, the feeder becomes clogged. A cork forms. The phenomenon is then. Goes well at first. Then comes less. Eventually nothing comes at all.


    Another phenomenon is. The print head cleaning is completed in the few steps.


    The PTFE tubes are nice, but I would not recommend for the S5. They are unfortunately a bit larger inside. With TPU or Shore 60 materiallien it works less. The unload of the head can also be disturbed by the larger diameter. So I would see this more as a trial than a real update.

    I hope this helps a little. But there are other people here with better ideas.

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    Posted · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5

    Update: 

     

    I figured out one of the problems. The inconsistency was a result of the fan being occasionally jammed by some PVA strands from the previous owner. This was causing heat soak in the hot end, essentially reducing down and - in one case - actually fusing the filament to the tubing. Clearing the fan up completely and cleaning up the feeders has resulted in good prints. 

     

    Hopefully this helps somebody, as I never would've expected to see that.

     

    Now onto other issues...

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    Posted · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5
    On 11/25/2021 at 8:37 AM, phrozen5100 said:

    Update: 

     

    I figured out one of the problems. The inconsistency was a result of the fan being occasionally jammed by some PVA strands from the previous owner. This was causing heat soak in the hot end, essentially reducing down and - in one case - actually fusing the filament to the tubing. Clearing the fan up completely and cleaning up the feeders has resulted in good prints. 

     

    Hopefully this helps somebody, as I never would've expected to see that.

     

    Now onto other issues...

    what fans you are referring to

     

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    Posted · Consistent Underextrusions and Print Failures on Ultimaker S5

    In various cases it is the following problem:

    https://support.ultimaker.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011527340-Check-for-residue-in-the-front-fan-of-the-print-head

     

    But that did not come up here, because I initially assumed that it is a new printer.


    Many greetings

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