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Posted · Shifting, bending and stepping layers on shell model

Hello,

For the past weeks I started to have an interesting problem printing a shell model with Ultimaker S5. 

The model itself is a airplane fairing modeled in rhino (here is just a part) - the surfaces are smooth, no bends 

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So, first I test printed it in PLA with PVA support - the result was ok-ish with some hard to see bends - however, it didn't matter since it was just a test to see if it fits properly on the plane.

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The next step was to print it in PETG (Polymaker Tough PETG white) since it will be outside and exposed to the elements. After a first few failed prints with common problems for this material (oozing, stringing), and some weak layer adhesion, I played with the settings and got to a sweet spot. I ditched support entirely since it would get between PETG layers and add to the weak layer adhesion (also, the model prints just fine without one).

However, since then, I haven't been able to print the piece completely. From a certain point on, I either get layer shifting, bending, stepping, or, like in the latest print, all three of them. It's important to note that it doesn't happen in the same spot - it is random.

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At first I suspected somebody in my office may have *nudged* the printer - however, these errors also appeared when nobody was around. So next I checked the belts, pulleys and axis - these too seemed fine (didn't move, I couldn't tighten the pulleys anymore). Next, I suspected that the temp was too high inside the print box and some kind of warping was occurring, so I lowered the hotbet temp. This too, didn't help. Next, I checked if the walls somehow moved on the bed. Checked, no movement - and now I am out of ideas. Here are my settings for the last print where I have all three problems

 

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For comparison, PLA (black) vs PETG (white) see pictures below. For PLA no layer shifting, just some deformation, for PETG we have both + stepping layers (incline)

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I read this post and wondered if there could be an electronics problem also - if so, how could I check? Should I send it to the reseller? 

 

If someone in the community has encountered a similar problem, any help would be much appreciated!

Thank you and have a nice day!

 

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    Posted · Shifting, bending and stepping layers on shell model

    If random, it looks like a mechanical thing, or unstable electronics.

     

    With power off, check if the head moves smoothly and easily, without hard points? Too much friction could also be a cause.

     

    For the belts and pulleys: with a marker pen, write a line from pulley to rod. So you can see if they move.

     

    On an UM2 with SD-card, I would say: check the card and slot for dirt. But I guess the S5 has an USB-slot, that shouldn't cause issues. If via network, maybe unstable connections and data loss? In the old days, when a driver overheated, it could for a moment switch off and cool down. But I haven't heard about that in the last years. If there are cooling fans for the electronics, check if they are working fine? No smell of hot electronics?

     

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