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Posted (edited) · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

Hi

I have installed the upgraded dual fan shroud that Neotko designed and after refining the firmware some, have done a large test print. I am using 50mm fans.

I suspect that my 50mm fans which are rated for 14.13 CFM are extremely powerful and require me to really tune them down to much lower speeds.  That's where I am trying to fine tune.

I also just replaced the teflon piece

Here's my large print, where I printed at 0.2 layers and 210C    I had the fans running on what I thought would be an equivalent to 100% of the original ones.  (Again, we're experimenting)

I decided to up the temp to 212 a little ways into it since I noticed the infill look hairy.  

As I kept checking in, I noticed the print head temp was moving from 210 to 214 a lot, so I reduced the fan speed a bit ever few minutes to see if it could stay more stable.  

Here's the result...thoughts?  Keep bringing the fan speeds down more?

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Should i focus more on raising the temps or lowering the fans further?

     

    You could test both. Just edit the gcode and set the new fans&temp at the desired layer or do it manually.

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    I found i was underextruding the first layer starting at 200, but 205 worked good to start

    Fans are at 14%...which seems to feel about as forceful as the single fan was way back when

    Now to increase the temps manually as we go!

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    I'm curious if this temp variation is of any concern? Leave alone? Too much fan?

     

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    From bottom 205, 210, 215, 220, 225

    40 mm/sec

    Fan at 14%

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Any thoughts on how to improve the print quality?

    @gr5 ?

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    .1mm layer 25mm/sec fan at 100% at 1mm nozzle temp 195C

    Also if after that you still have all that ringing next to those round bumps then lower your acceleration to 2000 mm/sec/sec or instead maybe tighten the belts a bit more. Tightening or loosening the belts will change the harmonic frequency and reduce that ringing. Loosen them too much though and you get play. Lowering acceleration to 2000mm/sec/sec should reduce the jerk which will reduce the ringing also.

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    100% fan and the printer will hover like a helicopter :)

    The acceleration settings....in Cura or Ulticontroller?

    Here's a test print of the Ultimaker Robot (210C, 40 mm/sec, 0.2 layers) Fans at 10%

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    I'll leave the temp alone and try lowering fans to 8% and then at 12%. More prints coming

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Okay

    From left to right...

    Fan at 12% , 10% and 8%

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Last night's overnight print...

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Ha! You didn't follow my advice. :(

    .1 layer, 25mm/sec, 100% fans by the time you are at layer 1mm from bed.

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    Posted (edited) · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    @gr5 , I don't understand your advice...I can't run the fans that high...they are too powerful

    Did you mean ringing?

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    Posted (edited) · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Oh okay about the fans.  But definitely try .1mm layer height and 25mm/sec and lower your nozzle temp some more.

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    The guys thought my brass pipe and heater block needed a gap...but in taking the head apart and comparing with a spare hot end kit, those thread into the heater block flush. No gap.

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    I can reduce the acceleration and do a robot at .1mm and 25mm sec. shortly

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

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    Old wiki explained very well how to know the correct amount of barrel to put inside the block.

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Yeah, as we noted on 3dprintingforum, my nozzle isn't sitting flush. I assume the block has to be hot to get that barrel to unscrew at all

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    Posted (edited) · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    If it's cold (and assuming you never got a leak inside the peek) when cold (or 90C) you can take out the peek if you unscrew it.

    To take out nozzle or barrel you need to loose the nozzle while hot (at least 150C but since you got leaks inside the alublock probably 200C so you don't force much the screws of the alu block.

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    aluminum and brass is soft - many people have destroyed their brass parts using a simple hand wrench. Go easy! use heat! Use WD40 (works even better than liquid wrench).

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    Posted · UMO with dual fan shroud prints

    Good tip (hey that's a pun!)

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