the binary of a bundled plugin needs needs to live in the bin directory (next to CuraEngine.exe etc) because Mac Apps are very picky about the folder and file structure.
https://github.com/Ultimaker/Cura/pull/16776
Edited by JelleSpijkerBeta versions of the Sidebar GUI and Tabbed Settings plugins that work with the Cura 5.5 beta are available here:
https://github.com/fieldOfView/Cura-SidebarGUIPlugin/releases/tag/v4.6.3-DEV
https://github.com/fieldOfView/Cura-TabbedSettingsPlugin/releases/tag/v1.0.3-DEV
Download the .curapackage and drop it onto the buildplate in Cura as if you were opening a 3d model.
Update: both plugins have updated versions available in the Marketplace. The beta versions above are no longer needed.
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This look promising to finally get "decent" print duration !!
Look forward to install the stable version, even if I'll wait for a week or two after the release to get proper patch haha.
Edit : I might add that i'm pretty always tweaking the different speeds : if this is all what have been changed or have the more impact it won't help me much 😕
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The beta certainly makes a good impression. However, I am still a bit skeptical about the print speed. The mechanical construction of the Ultimaker printers is, in my opinion, not stable and stiff enough that the speeds can simply be increased without some loss of print quality.
I will try it out, of course.
Grouping the walls seems to look good in the first preview of print objects. But the print order here is still on "outside to inside". i had understood the answers from the github post on this topic that this should actually be changed again?
GregValiant 1,260
1. Materials are my first problem. There weren't any for my printer and the Preferences dialog does not configure to "Manage Materials". I was able to get the Material list loaded by opening a project file.
The dialog is always "whatever the last subject was" rather than Materials.
If you look closely you will see that the "Defaults" button is actually displaced from the button below. The amount of displacement varies, but I can always see two (maybe three) buttons on top of each other.
2. AA0.8 print head file was misnamed and Cura wanted me to reset. Changing it from "um_s5_aa0.8_tpu_0.2mm.inst.cfg" to ""um_s5_aa0.8_um-tpu_0.2mm.inst.cfg" seems to have fixed it. An S5 "left" extruder was also a problem.
(I open a lot of 3mf files so my config folder may have been incorrect.)
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I don't even dare download it since the link "For more information" that came up on Cura links to the June release (https://ultimaker.com/learn/ultimaker-cura-5-4-beta-release-notes/)
C'mon guys. Let's get this right.
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Hi all, I'm keeping a close eye on the feedback for the team to resolve.
@Dadkitess
We've done more than just changing the values of the speeds. The Gradual Flow plug-in will also gradually increase and decrease the speed making it easier for the printer to handle the sudden changes and reducing the ringing that comes from jerking the printhead around. Settings like Small Top/Bottom Width, Top Surface Inner/Outer wall Speed/Acceleration/Jerk, and changes like these all help to make motions more smooth facilitating the speed.
@Gero
The default "outside to inside" wall ordering is defined by our print experts and they believe it's the best for the applications that are being tested. I believe I mentioned a workaround before where you can set the setting by default, you can also use profiles to keep track of your favorite settings. I invite you to try out the new settings and let us know if you see ways to improve them.
@GregValiant
We did do an update to that printer preferences window, so your bug must have snuck in there and the misnaming has us a bit worried so we'll dive into that ASAP because that might break future upgrades.
@LePaul Oh! That must have fallen off our checklist. I raised it with the team and it should be resolved now. ~ Please give it ~30 minutes to show up
Thanks for raising your issues!
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1 hour ago, Gero said:I have tried it again with custom parts for a customer, the material here is CPE Yellow from Ultimaker. The error pattern is the same since cura 5.0. The material flow is not 100% at the nozzle here and shows up at the Z-seam with under-extrusion.
I can therefore not take any of the standard profiles from Ultimaker without adjusting the settings for simple customer parts, despite Ultimaker printer and Ultimaker materials.I'm afraid I can neither understand nor confirm the opinion of the printing experts at Ultimaker that these would work.
I've had this issue for a while for most of my prints on the s5 with .8 mm nozzle. I've tried changing retraction settings which helped a bit, but didn't completely fix it. It either leave a hole, thin wall, or bump. which doesn't work for end use products for our clients.
54 minutes ago, LePaul said:
Is that printed on an Ultimaker machine?
I know I have added frequent core cleanings to my routine and amazed what comes out using the cleaning filament sticks from Ultimaker.
I find the default profiles for Ultimaker machines tend to work alright. However, on my other machines at work and home, I stick to calibration testing for each material. Temp Tower, Slicer Flow settings and then on the retraction tests just to be sure. I print large, multi-day prints so I try to get it right the first time.
Do you use plugins for these tests? I've tried the post processing plugins in the past for the s5 and newer models but they dont work and give a leveling error or other error.
23 hours ago, ArunC said:Powerful new engine plugins
This release sees a huge new addition to Cura which will fuel improvements for years to come: engine plugins with powerful new capabilities!
Since 2015, Cura has allowed members of the community to create plugins that add new functionality to Cura or augment existing functionality. Over the years we improved our plugin system to make it easier to create and share plugins. Today you can find and download dozens of plugins through the UltiMaker Marketplace and many people have, with some of our most popular plugins being downloaded millions of times!
Examples of popular plugins include the Settings Guide plugin which adds additional context to the over 600 settings in Cura, and the OctoPrint Connection plugin which lets you use the popular OctoPrint web interface for remote printing and monitoring.
Up until now, the functionality of plugins has been limited to manipulating your parts before slicing and UI tweaks. Everything that happens after you start slicing your part could not be modified. In other words, if Cura was a car, plugins would allow users to modify the paint scheme, change the rims on the tires, and maybe even swap out the seats for something more fancy. But everything under the hood was off-limits. You could make the car look better, even feel better, but it would still drive the same.
With the new plugin capabilities in this release, that has all changed. It is now possible to fundamentally modify how Cura works by interfacing with the slicing engine at the heart of Cura. This allows plugins to add new settings, modify existing settings, and change how Cura behaves when slicing a model. The result is more powerful plugins with a much wider range of capabilities. Some examples of the kind of functionality that users could add with these new plugins include:
Paint on supports: By combining the new and existing plugin capabilities, it would be possible to create a plugin that allows you to manually tag areas as requiring supports
Version number in print: It’s possible to create a plugin that modifies the skin area on layer 0 to have a version number or any other custom text that will appear on the bottom of the model when printed
Texture: You can use a plugin to give your model a custom texture embossed on the surface
Are there already plugins for these? I've seen some past posts on trying to put input shaping via the slicer and velocity printing as an application for adding textures to prints. I think ideamaker has something similar and it would be nice to finally get model painting like in meshmixer and slicer to change color or material type. Also, does this verison allow for more full use of the material station to expand material use to more than two materials in the slicer? It would be great to be able to use all 6 materials as we want it rather than just two. I understand that there are the purges and different temps of materials, but if I want to make a complex part using tpu, abs, and LW-asa, then i would have more use case for my machine bundle.
1 hour ago, 3dprntz said:Are there already plugins for these?
As far as I know, only the Gradual Flow plugin that ships with Cura uses the new CuraEngine plugin system. This beta is basically the first time plugin developers have a mostly stable architecture to work with.
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On 10/10/2023 at 8:17 PM, JelleSpijker said:the binary of a bundled plugin needs needs to live in the bin directory (next to CuraEngine.exe etc) because Mac Apps are very picky about the folder and file structure.
How is this going to work for plugins that do not ship with Cura then?
GregValiant 1,260
3. Missing supports.
This is with normal supports. The outboard supports start abruptly with nothing below except the floor interface.
The problem appears to be "Support Infill Layer Thickness" as I often run it at 2 layers high as in the image above.
When set to 1 layer high the preview is as I would expect.
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I'm finding that which ever z seam option choice is picked the result in the slicer turns out as sharpest corner!
UPDATE: works fine with some existing project files not in others.
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I'm getting something odd happening with walls in 5.5 that doesn't happen with the same .stl files in 5.4 ...
At irregular intervals some layers are 'all shell' instead of using inner walls. Sometimes just a single layer, sometimes a bunch of layers together. This results in some visible differences in the printed surface (along with slightly slower print times). I've tried changing any settings I thought might affect this but not had any luck yet.
On 10/10/2023 at 9:33 AM, ArunC said:Prints can now be completed in up to half the time, without any reduction in reliability or quality.
I am seeing a significant reduction in strength.
I ran a test with the attached bracket last night and UltiMaker ToughPLA. Printed with Balanced 0.20mm, 100% infill, walls=3, using the Ultimaker ToughPLA profile.
With 5.5.0-beta.1, print time was 0:57 for 6 brackets and one half-height bracket, vs. 1:47 for 5.4.0. So, yaay, almost twice as fast.
But then I put the brackets on my strain gauge. Brackets printed with 5.4.0 failed at 180N. Brackets printed with 5.5.0-beta.1 failed at 131N. The failure was always in the infill, with one of the walls intact (see attached photo). So, about 2/3 as strong. (With 5.4.0, the piece snaps all the way through after some initial yielding right at the notch.)
I did a toughness test by attaching the bracket to a hook in the ceiling and a slide hammer on the other side, and dropped the slide hammer against its stop. The brackets printed with 5.5.0-beta.1 failed at less than half the drop distance = printed with 5.4.0.
The speed increase (and strength reduction) seems to be specific to the UM ToughPLA profile. If I force the material to Generic ToughPLA, 5.5.0-beta.1 still takes 1:47 to print. That's a decent workaround so I can keep testing the rest of the beta; I don't know if there's a simpler way to toggle the speed increases off.
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We have had the same experience with other high-speed printers.
It is now well known that the faster you print, the less time the layers have to fuse together properly.
Nevertheless, the higher printing speeds are welcome for many projects.
I think the engineering profiles still have significantly slower speeds. I would also expect this with the according description. That if I need parts for mechanical loads, these are printed accordingly with the best possible accuracy and strength.
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@GregValiant, What you are seeing might be undesired but also seems a setting/model issue. 🤔 I can also have the support generated correctly if I increase the Support Horizontal Expansion a little:
Do you have another model that also shows this behavior?
@mrender We introduced a small change to the zseam, that might be causing that. It seemed to only improve the zseam, but your report makes it seem it's not the case. Do you have a project file that displays this behavior so we can do some more troubleshooting?
@AndyHazz, Your issue was reported internally aswell, and should be fixed in the stable with this PR. I'll add your model as a testcase! Thank you 😊
@UltiSpangler, I love your dedicated research. I'll make sure to share your insights with the team to see if it's something that can be improved.
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GregValiant 1,260
Good morning @MariMakes,
In regards to that model and the alleged problem - this appears to be another clear-cut case of "Everything affects Everything".
There does appear to be an interaction between some settings. I don't think Support Horizontal Expansion is one of them. In the end I have to conclude that the "slightly lower" edge that requires support is confusing Cura and that the situation requires the user to closely examine the preview and make adjustments so that the edge (two layers lower) is supported.
- I noticed that the "unsupported support structure" started at the cross hole on the back side of that large pocket of the model. "Hole Horizontal Expansion" had been set to 0.1. With HHE set to zero, or Max Hole Diameter set to 25, the condition kind of went away.
- Setting the Support HE to 0.8 changed things, sometimes for the better, but it was conditional on some other settings ("Support Density", and "Support Infill Line Directions" are two of them).
This is with both the Support HE and the Interface HE set to 0.8. I'm going to described this as "Wonky".
Here I've set "Support Wall Line Count" to 1. The wall is around the periphery of the area requiring support and so it picks up that narrow ledge. Experience tells me that it will also make it harder to remove the supports from the back of that pocket.
This is with the Support Line Directions at [90]. Once again the outside is picked up.
So this condition does appear to be something that can be "Tuned" and eliminated and seems to be model specific.
(That doesn't mean I'm letting the Cura Team off the hook. I'm going to blame all of this on the continued lack of progress on the Cura "Easy" button 🔮 .)
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@UltiSpangler Great work! The higher print speeds, especially in the infill, cause the extruded material to be colder. This causes two things, less flow due to more back pressure = more voids = less surface area = less tensile strength. However the drop is too large (30%). So I suspect that we are losing entanglement in large parts of the interface that breaks (https://www.stevenabbott.co.uk/practical-adhesion/entanglement.php). Both issues can be counteracted by increasing the print temperature, which is what I will try to do for the final release. Increasing temperature also has a limit, so we need to balance a bit better in this case.
Thanks for reporting this.
P.S.: The engineering intent profile operates at lower speed with very little flow changes. This will give you the required tensile strength back. We will however make an effort to also improve the balanced mode.
Hey @Pandagoo,
Welcome to the UltiMaker Community 🎉
Do you have a project file for us? It contains the printer and settings we need for troubleshooting.
To save a project file go to File -> Save project.
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On my windows post I still have this problem with the new plugin: CuraEngineGradualFlow. Cura crashes and I have in the messages :
Am I the only one with this problem?
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