Why are my brim lines not fine anymore?

[frederiekpascal 193]

A picture says more than 1000 words, so here it is :

I noticed my extrusion is not the fine line as it used to be. Does anybody know what's the reason for this?

I'm using an UM2+ ext.

cheers

[neotko 1,417]

How many print hours?

[frederiekpascal 193]

+/- 1500 print hours with this machine

[neotko 1,417]

Maybe, just maybe, the tfm it's starting to die...

But to replace it

https://ultimaker.com/en/resources/22188-how-to-replace-the-tfm-coupler

To do the step 2 (final one) you need a plastic to adjust with precision the x4 long screws. That part only comes with the maintenance kit, but I would ask @sandervg if your ultimaker reseller can sell you just that.

[frederiekpascal 193]

I'll start with another new nozzle first, i'll keep you posted @neotko

[neotko 1,417]

True. But I think other heavy users like @valcrow had to change their TFM at 2000h or so.

I thought of the tfm because I know you where one of the guys that bought it as soon it came out.

Probably the new tfm can be installed without that black part, or with a printed part, but for that we need @sandervg info of how to get it or a 3D model to print with the real measures (so we could use a caliper to check the 3d printed part before using it).

[frederiekpascal 193]

Trideus doesn't sell the TFM coupler separately... @SanderVG heeeelp?

[neotko 1,417]

I bet they sell it if you ask them. For example the distributor of spain doesn't list all parts but I bought quite a few prt numbers by just dropping a ln email with the numbers listed on the github bom. The plastic part to measure the correct distance as the guide says, that's unknow to me. I think @sandervg will be back on monday.

[tinkergnome 924]

Probably the new tfm can be installed without that black part, or with a printed part, but for that we need @sandervg info of how to get it or a 3D model to print with the real measures (so we could use a caliper to check the 3d printed part before using it).

 

Is so much science really needed? I assume that the top and bottom plate should be as parallel as possible. And the cooling rib between the plates is 17.00mm high (part no. 1308). That should be the objective for all four corners, shouldn't it?

[neotko 1,417]

 

Probably the new tfm can be installed without that black part, or with a printed part, but for that we need @sandervg info of how to get it or a 3D model to print with the real measures (so we could use a caliper to check the 3d printed part before using it).

 

Is so much science really needed? I assume that the top and bottom plate  should be as parallel as possible. And the cooling rib between the plates is 17.00mm high (part no. 1308). That should be the objective for all four corners, shouldn't it?

 

I don't know I know that when you tight the 4 corners that space flex and compress the TFM. So I suppose that spacer it's to avoid too much compression or to do just good enough force. I know that since I installed them on different ways I got my couplers slightly deformed and I got to use a 2mm drill bit to fix them, and they work, but also the other day got a caliper and one was 16.64, other 16.97 and other was 16.20 distance. So most probably by doing it wrong (like me) you can damage the tfm. And if you don't compress it good enough thrn you have a leak.

[JohnFox 25]

I had a very similar first layer recently when I tried printing with some old ABS, ( 2 years old ). Abandoned the print and switched back to PLA - all fine.

[frederiekpascal 193]

I had a very similar first layer recently when I tried printing with some old ABS, ( 2 years old ). Abandoned the print and switched back to PLA - all fine.

 

I only use PLA

The PLA on the picture is white Colorfabb, max 6 months old.

[frederiekpascal 193]

@Neotko, the TFM coupler is part 2278 right? Do you know the part number of the black spacer?

Cause I don't see it in the list of the maintenance kit parts :

The Maintenance kit contains:

2288 PT100B Sensor Glas Fiber

2278 TFM (2x)

1699 Fan Pack

1696 Bowden Tube Pack

2313 Olsson Nozzle 0.4mm

1310 Hot End Isolator

1688 Pulley Pack

1154 Glass Plate

1256 Build Platform Glass Retainer Back (2x)

9241 Calibration Card

1255 Sliding Blocks (4x)

1226 Magnalube/Grease

1188 Timing Belt GT2 200 (2x)

1189 Timing Belt GT2 610 (4x)

2283 Heater Cartridge 24V 35W

Injection Molding Part/Print Head Aid

Sewing Machine Oil

[neotko 1,417]

It's the 'Injection Molding Part/Print Head Aid'

And yeah that's the TFM.

[Dim3nsioneer 557]

@frederiekpascal: @SandervG is on holidays as far as I know.

Maybe you want to check ideato3d.be, the webshop of @DidierKlein, who is a 3dSolex reseller. The TFT from 3dSolex is equivalent to the TFM from Ultimaker. Just for the case you don't easily get the TFM.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Guest

[SandervG 1,518]

I'm back! Was there anything still needed?

[tommyph1208 55]

I have seen this as well on my aging UMO... As far as I can tell it might have to do with worn out axis or bearings... to the jagged line you see would be a result of:

A: Hotend moving slightly up and down on worn down/warped axis creating uneven layer widths - printing a straight single wall line will reveal if this is the case as the error will show on both sides of the line.

B: Hotend moving slightly from side to side when travelling along a worn down/warped axis - Here the error should only be to one side at a time

[gr5 2,002]

I think the lines are rough because the part it's about to print doesn't have smooth edges.

[frederiekpascal 193]

I'm back! :)Was there anything still needed?

 

Nope, ordered the parts from Trideus. The molding part is only 2 euros and the TFM is 12,5 euro.

[neotko 1,417]

 

I'm back! :)Was there anything still needed?

 

Nope, ordered the parts from Trideus. The molding part is only 2 euros and the TFM is 12,5 euro.

 

Great news! Thanks!

Edit. Only 12,5€ for 1500 print hours? Coool

Edited August 24, 2016 by Guest

[frederiekpascal 193]

Maybe, just maybe, the tfm it's starting to die...

But to replace it

https://ultimaker.com/en/resources/22188-how-to-replace-the-tfm-coupler

To do the step 2 (final one) you need a plastic to adjust with precision the x4 long screws. That part only comes with the maintenance kit, but I would ask @sandervg if your ultimaker reseller can sell you just that.

 

I've changed the TFM coupler this morning and that was a good idea from you

[IRobertI 516]

So the new TFM alone solved this for you? To be honest the TFM isn't what I would suspect in this case. The amount of extrusion looks fine. In fact, it looks like too much plastic is coming out which could indicate that the bed is too close to the nozzle. The bed also looks quite dirty. So my advice would've been a good cleaning of the glass and a re-level.

Oh, and do you have a pic of the old TFM? Would be interesting to see what it looks like.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Guest

[frederiekpascal 193]

So the new TFM alone solved this for you? To be honest the TFM isn't what I would suspect in this case. The amount of extrusion looks fine. In fact, it looks like too much plastic is coming out which could indicate that the bed is too close to the nozzle. The bed also looks quite dirty. So my advice would've been a good cleaning of the glass and a re-level.

Oh, and do you have a pic of the old TFM? Would be interesting to see what it looks like.

 

Hello,

The bed leveling was ok, I did some tests before posting the first photo.

The might look dirty but it isn't dirty, there's only too much glue on the glass. Since I started using clue, I never had any problems with layer adhesion anymore...

Anyway, these are a few pictures of the old TFM vs a brand new one.

This is how my first layers look like now :

UM2+ ext is back up & running in full shape!

Edited September 16, 2016 by Guest

[LePaul 312]

Interesting cover!

[gr5 2,002]

Could it have been the filament? White PLA is usually weird stuff.